Twinport, vvt, vvi tipi motorlarda lpg dönüşümü

onlyOknows

Çook araştırmama rağmen Opel'in yeni nesil twinport tipi motorlarına lpg dönüşümü yapıldığına rastlamadım. Twinport motorlarda lpg dönüşümü yapılabiliyor mu, yapılıyorsa diğer motorlara göre bir dezavantajı veya sorun çıkarma potansiyeli olabilir mi?

Bilgisi olan arkadaşlar paylaşırsa sevinirim.

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Arabam:
2003 Astra Elegance Twinport 1.6

Bu model ve motorlu arabaya uygulandığını gören varsa paylaşabilirler mi?

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lancelot · Tarih: Cmt Ağu 12, 2006 1:11 am Mesaj konusu:

Vauxhall COMBO DUALFUEL VAN

Tuesday November 15 (First written on 2005-07-26) As small vans go, Vauxhalls Combo is amongst the most economical you can buy but the miserly fuel consumption of the standard models pales into insignificance when compared to the Dualfuel derivative. Steve Walker finds out more

Fuel economy and low emissions are two things that wed all like our vehicles to provide but when it comes to the crunch, factors like performance, styling and price tend to take precedence in most car buying decisions. Commercial vehicles should be a different kettle of fish. This is an area of the market where practical considerations come to the fore and the most cost-effective products rise cream-like to the top. Thats certainly what Vauxhall are hoping will happen with regards to their wonderfully economical Combo Dualfuel van.

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Of all the alternatives to good old petrol and diesel power that have been dragged onto the runway over the years, dualfuel technology is the one that has taken off in most convincing fashion. A solution to the harmful emissions and expense associated with fossil fuel burning engines has been sought by many, but a viable electric car is still some way off, solar power seems best reserved for cross-desert endurance races and the idea of a methane-fuelled vehicle has been deemed a non-starter - mainly because of the excruciating smells involved. The best that mainstream manufacturers can offer at present, in terms of clean, efficient motoring, seems to be the new super-clean versions of traditional petrol and diesel units or dualfuel LPG/Petrol arrangements. Hardly the beginning of the end for the internal combustion engine, but a significant step forward nevertheless.

"The Combo Dualfuel will cover 315 miles in LPG mode, at which point the vans 11.4-gallon petrol tank can chip in, if required."

If you were going to plumb an LPG (Liquid Petroleum Gas) system into any current model, Vauxhalls Combo hi-cube van would be a good place to start. The vehicle was already one of the cheapest to run in its class, with its manufacturers keen to quote a CAP Monitor figure of 8.23 pence per mile (over 90,000 miles or 3 years) by way of illustration, and it is the commercial sector that potentially has most to gain by slashing fuel bills for its large van fleets. Buyers with similar concerns in mind tended to gravitate towards the Combo range, with its advanced CDTi diesel engines that return decent fuel consumption figures and respectably low emissions ratings.

For genuine penny-pinching tree-huggers, though, Vauxhall have introduced the Dualfuel option. Essentially, what Combo Dualfuel customers get is a 1.4-litre Twinport engine that can be manually switched to run on either Petrol or LPG. The vehicle comes equipped with two fuel tanks (one petrol one LPG) and Vauxhalls GSI (Gas Sequential Injection) system to keep exhaust fumes to a minimum.

The set-up also is compliant with step-4 of the European emissions regulations, so the boys from Brussels wont be coming knocking on your door anytime soon. All in all, its an attractive option for the nations business users. The financial benefits of the Combo Dualfuel arent difficult to fathom. Its on the road price of £12,496 (excluding VAT) is £2,085 more than the basic petrol engined model but the difference can then be quickly recouped through the substantially cheaper cost of LPG (roughly between 40 and 35 pence per litre).

Vauxhall Estimate that their Combo Dualfuel will travel 50% further than a conventional Petrol or Diesel powered van for the same cost. That should take a huge bite out of any operators fuel expenditure. Many prospective buyers might like the idea of all the potential savings offered by the Combo Dualfuel but remain concerned over the practicalities of running the vehicle on a day to day basis. There are more than 1,000 LPG outlets nationwide a number thats growing all the time - but still doesnt mean that the fuel is as conveniently obtainable as users would like.

It does seem that the industry has taken dualfuel technology to heart, though, and the increasing numbers of LPG-powered vehicles emerging on the market should drive up the number of filling stations that stock the gas. The Combo Dualfuel will cover 315 miles in LPG mode, at which point the vans 11.4-gallon petrol tank can chip in, if required. The system does increase the Combos kerb weight by 79.

5kg and performance suffers as a result, although the actual driving experience remains pleasant. The Combo itself is based on Vauxhalls ever-popular Corsa supermini and as such, is solidly built and easy to use. The well-balanced suspension, accurate steering and a nice short-throw gear change are all worthy of note. With a very simple transition between 1st and reverse settings making tricky manoeuvres much simpler to execute.

Behind the wheel, a plethora of information is available at a glance from two hooded display consoles. Theres the traditional drivers side one with rev counter, speedo etc. And a swish centrally-mounted affair that contains readouts from the trip computer and stereo as well as the optional satellite navigation and telephone systems. Its all neatly presented, so you shouldnt be baffled by the complexity of the controls.

If you had to criticise the Combo, it would be on the grounds that theres very little storage space in the cab. Small door bins and a glovebox are about the size of it as far as useful cubby-holes are concerned. Youll probably find yourself putting items on the passenger seat, from where they disappear en route forcing you into an annoying underseat search on arrival. Rear visibility isnt too hot either but thats a problem that features on many panel-sided commercial vehicles and one that was compounded by the absence of glazed rear doors on our test vehicle.

Economy is a characteristic highly prized in the commercial vehicle market and its a safe bet that the Vauxhall Combo Dualfuel is one of the most cost-effective commercial vehicles that it is possible to buy in the UK. Small van buyers were probably considering the talented standard Combo anyway and the additional expenditure required to obtain this LPG model can quickly be recouped, from which point its profit all the way. Going green has never been so easy or such a sensible option.

FACTS AT A GLANCE
VAN: Vauxhall Combo Dualfuel
PRICES: £12,496 (ex Vat) ENGINES: 1.4-litre Twinport dualfuel SAFETY FEATURES: twin airbags, seatbelt pretensioners MAX PAYLOAD: 810kg

lancelot · Tarih: Cmt Ağu 12, 2006 1:15 am Mesaj konusu:

Burada Wauxal ın 2003 yılı LPG çalışmalarını görebilirsiniz. Wauxal Opel in İngilterede üretilen araçları, twinport motorlar içinde bilgi içeriyor.

http://www.epolitix.com/NR/rdonlyres/07494E4E-5B62-4FD8-AE9F-3DFDD2B1801C/0/final.pdf

onlyOknows · Tarih: Cmt Ağu 12, 2006 10:56 am Mesaj konusu:

Evet bu iki dökümanı da incelemiştim. dualfuel olarak çıkan 1.2 twinport panel van'ı da gördüm. Fakat bunlar fabrika çıkışı sistemler.

Ben asıl sonradan taktırmada bir sıkıntı olurmu onu merak ediyorum.

Bu sistemleri takan bir bayii ye sorduğumda bu tüp motorlara bu sistemi takmadıklarını söylediler. Sebeb olarak ta elektrik sistemlerinin uygun olmadığını gösterdiler. Ve üretici firmanın bu motorlara tıklmaması gerektiğini söylediğini belirttiler.

Fakat yinede belki oluyordur diye bir örneğini görmek için araştırmalarıma devam ediyorum :?

ŞİMŞEK OTOGAZ · Tarih: Cmt Ağu 12, 2006 9:57 pm Mesaj konusu:

onlyOknows · Tarih: Pzr Ağu 13, 2006 11:06 pm Mesaj konusu:

lancelot ve şimşek otogaz'a faydali bilgileriniz ve ilginiz için teşekkür ederim.
Yaptığım incelemeler sonucunda bende yeni astraya lpg takıldığını sanal ortamda da olsa görmiş oldum. 2A mühendisliğin sitesinde de bununla ilgili bilgiler buldum. Doğrusu içim biraz rahatladı.

Yanlız bana bu araçlara takılamayacağını söyleyen de şimşek otogaz idi :?
2 gün önce şimşek otogazı telefonla aradığımda bana direk bu araçlara dönüşüm yapmadıklarını çok kesin bir ifadeyle söylediklerinde moralim çok bozulmuş hevesim kırılmıştı. iyiki araştırmalarıma devam etmişim. Herhalde telefon da da bir yanlış anlama oldu belki fsi ile karıştırdılar.

LPG ile ilgili bukadar çok kişinin katılımcı bir ortamda bilgilerini paylaştığını görmek çok ilgimi çekti ve çok hoşuma gitti.
Herkese tekrar teşekkürler.

Bu arada bu başlık altında Astra Twinport aracına lpg dönüşümü yapan arkadaşlar tecrübelerini aktarmaya devam ederlerse sevinirim. Bende araba tatilden gelince dönüşüm yaptıracağım ve burada paylaşacağım.

ŞİMŞEK OTOGAZ · Tarih: Pts Ağu 14, 2006 1:59 pm Mesaj konusu:

evet arkadaşım italyada Landi fabrikası bu araca olmaz derken BRC firması olur diyor böylesi komplikasyon var .biz taktık sonucu paylaştık
sadece bize takılmaz denilen araç listelerinde gerçektende bu yüzden adı geçiyor.ama kıstas şu noktada çözümleniyor delme açısında . evet sizler telefonlarda müşteri temsilcisi arkadaşlar dan bilgi alırken yanlış bilgi anlatımı olmuş veya bizim bu araca uygulama yapdığımızı bilmiyor olabilirler servis sorumlusu arkadaşlar yada ustabaşlarımız bu konuda daha detaylı bilgi verecektir.
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ŞİMŞEK OTOGAZ · Tarih: Pts Ağu 28, 2006 11:15 pm Mesaj konusu:

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İVEDİK MERKEZ SAN.SİT. 35, CAD. NO:39 İVEDİK- ANKARA
0312 394 22 15
Bayiliklerimiz: STEFANELLI - BRC
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OPEL TAKIMI · Tarih: Çrş Ağu 30, 2006 5:25 pm Mesaj konusu:

Resimler ve paylaşım için teşekkürler.
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onlyOknows · Tarih: Pzr Eyl 03, 2006 10:02 pm Mesaj konusu:

vay be bu benim motor!!! Teşekkürler...